German car sales thread

The total market was down 30% against July 2009.

On the snakes: Škoda, FIAT, Suzuki (all down more than half) - also the Golf/Jetta where a 50% fall is 16,000 cars or more than the sales of any other model (or manufacturer total other than Volkswagen itself, Mercedes, B*W, Audi, Opel or Ford),

On the ladders: Mercedes (24,394 sales, +8.1% to second place); B*W (20,591, +6.3% to third); Jaguar (256 sales, 31st, +19.3%); and Land-Rover (698. 28th, +96.1%, still less than 0.3% of the market)...

NB just noticed more Ferraris (75) were sold in the month than SAABs (70)...

patpending wrote:The total market was down 30% against July 2009.

Is that an improvement?

... It was 32% down last month so only 30% must be an improvement

Windy wrote:

patpending wrote:The total market was down 30% against July 2009.

Is that an improvement?

... It was 32% down last month so only 30% must be an improvement

sales are very seasonal in Germany so although the year-on-year decline is down, July's 237,428 sales are still down over 50,000 on June's 289,259.

These figures used to be one easy click away but not now AFAIK!

Sales just of the Golf are down some 50,000 in 2010 to date compared with 2009...more units than any other car's entire 2010 sales except for the Polo...

Hmmm, have I missed out August?

September sales: month 285,748 (-17.8%); YTD 2,166,852 (-27.5%).

Headline for September - Golf sales down 38% or some 14,580 to 23,205. Fleet sales are 57% of the market. Scrappage is dead.

I note that marque no. 25 is Dacia, down 41% to 2,226. "Just" below - marque no.26 - is Porsche, up 14.5% to 1,209...

auto, motor + sport's comment "Back to business as usual"

Month sales 256,775 (-20.0%), YTD 2,423,627 (-26.8%)

Other big losers for the month include the Golf/Jetta (-44.1% to 20,952)and Corsa, Panda, Fiesta, Ibiza all down at least 40%.

Big winner is the B*W X1 (storming up the charts to no. 23, up 337%!) also E-class, 5-series and Škoda Superb. The Hyundai i30 does well too.

Germany is a bigger market, but thinking about the target to sell 2,000 MG6s in the UK in a year would put the marque around Lancia, Lexus or Lada territory in Germany...maybe Chrysler...

patpending wrote:auto, motor + sport's comment "Back to business as usual"

Month sales 256,775 (-20.0%), YTD 2,423,627 (-26.8%)

Other big losers for the month include the Golf/Jetta (-44.1% to 20,952)and Corsa, Panda, Fiesta, Ibiza all down at least 40%.

Big winner is the B*W X1 (storming up the charts to no. 23, up 337%!) also E-class, 5-series and Škoda Superb. The Hyundai i30 does well too.

Germany is a bigger market, but thinking about the target to sell 2,000 MG6s in the UK in a year would put the marque around Lancia, Lexus or Lada territory in Germany...maybe Chrysler...

Lexus must have a lot more than that in the UK?
Do Lancia and Lada have any sales in the UK?
I guess matching Chrysler would be a good start.


Looking to see how many Lexus UK sales there are, I see 10,122 but also notice the top marque for improvement - MG +13,200% !!! , but that was 2008 - http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/UK-2008-car-sales-analysis-winners-and-losers/

Windy wrote:Lexus must have a lot more than that in the UK?
Do Lancia and Lada have any sales in the UK?
I guess matching Chrysler would be a good start.


Looking to see how many Lexus UK sales there are, I see 10,122 but also notice the top marque for improvement - MG +13,200% !!! , but that was 2008 - http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/UK-2008-car-sales-analysis-winners-and-losers/

I read that future Chryslers and Lancias will be very closely related - in much the way the MG550 is related to the Roewe 550.

Continually we read about the luxury manufacturers looking to "break" Germany - but Lexus haven't, Jaguar are on around 2,000 (improving) and Saab are looking at around 600 in a year!

Lancias are not imported into the UK. They were due to come last year but the recession scuppered that. Now Lancias will be evil robot Chryslers.

AFAIK Ladas are not available here either.

Can't believe I've not updated this topic for over a year.

Per auto, motor + sport, for November 2011, sales are up altogether but a big plus in fleet registrations to 62.7% of the total masks a 2.8% fall in private registrations.

Month sales 269,144 (+2.6%), YTD 2,929,133 (+9.1%)

The Audi A6 is up 66.0% against Nov 2010 to 13th (5,021 sales)(YTD: up 47.0%), and the B*W 5-series is down 34.8% to 18th (4,182)(YTD: up 35.0%).

The Golf still has 8% of the total market all by itself.

I note that Hyundai is now no.9 overall, above Toyota, Citroën, Peugeot, Nissan - and Fiat!

NB MG rivals? Lancia + Chrysler = 2,400 sales YTD (1 Chrysler sold in November, as though even the PT Cruiser and the Voyager are now Lancias); Lada 1,833; Saab 487. The Koreans are big boys here: Hyundai 80,387; Kia 37,612; Chevrolet 27,130. No real volume car manufacturer except Lancia/Chrysler is below 3,000.