Mirtininkas wrote:1.Windy you see only optimistic numbers but i see big danger in MG/Roewe sales! First of all, in December MG/Roewe grew less than whole market, secondly in January (2012dec/2013jan) sales are
-17% down, while China's total is
+21%! MG/Roewe are extremely losing their market share.
And 2013 February sales will be much much worse because:
The figures probably were boosted as customers hurried to finish purchases before businesses closed for next week's Lunar New Year holiday. That is likely to depress February sales"
In December they had record total sales and sold more cars than they produced. I don't know what the limiting factor on sales was but I do think they set their prices and marketing carefully to control sales instead of leaving control to the public.
For January/February sales, I think it is wrong to compare their growth to other brands because they are in different markets. The timeing of the lunar new year effect is different between private and business sales and I think between different price ranges - some will go out and buy a car in that period while others are off on holiday enjoying their existing cars.
Because of the lunar new year I am not convinced that the negatives are negative, best to leave judgement to next month.
Mirtininkas wrote:
And here are my thoughts about your statistics:
2. I think that it's not right to exclude W5 sales, it's normal SUV (not commercial car or a bus!)
The W5 is only excluded from the China total because that is how the figures are published and while I could add it in myself fairly easily, I can not calculate its position(rank) without recalculating all the other brands with their SUVs included - it is far too much effort.
Mirtininkas wrote:3. China total - 19,835 (17)
Roewe/MG rank is not 17th in China, it's not correct. 17th place looks very optimistic in the list of 300 cars or 60+ brands, BUT if you sum these brands, you must sum Hyundai with Kia, VW with Audi, etc.
Again, that is how the figures are published by the Chinese government and it does make sense. Audi and VW are seperate companies with seperate accounts although they both belong to the same group. MG and Roewe however are two brands belonging to the same company - Shanghai Automotive Passenger Cars, they both have the same shareholders and accounts. If you included the rest of SAIC group cars then you would include Shanghai GM and Shanghai VW cars
Mirtininkas wrote:An example how autoweek.nl forum does:
1. Volkswagen (VW, Audi, Skoda): 300.656
2. Hyundai-Kia: 163.090
3. GM (Buick, Chevrolet, Baojun, Cadillac): 162.440
4. Nissan (Nissan, Venucia): 77.649
5. Geely (Gleagle, Emgrand, Shanghai Englon): 60.453
6. Chery (Chery, Riich, Karry, Rely): 55.132
7. PSA Peugeot-Citroën: 54.418
8. Honda (Honda, Linian, Ciimo): 47.248
9. FAW (FAW, Haima, Foton): 43.481
10. Changan (Changan, Changhe, Hafei): 41.810
11. SAIC (Roewe, MG): 21.007
12. Brilliance (Brilliance, Jinbei): 17.264
13. Zotye (Zotye, Jiangnan): 11.682
14. GAC (GAC, Changfeng, Gonow): 9.992
15. Fiat (Fiat, Chrysler): 4.044
16. JMC Landwind: 2.511
The VW sales in that list come from two seperate companies with seperate ownership - Shanghai VW and FAW VW, again if you do that then why not add up Shanghai VW, Shanghai GM and Shaghai Automotive to give a number 1 with 296,144?
Where is Great Wall in your list
They sold more than MG+Roewe in January.
The Roewe/MG rank of 17 is out of the 39 manufacturers, not out of the brands.
For you the Roewe 550 is an MG550 so I think that makes sense.
The brand table has 52 brands with Roewe 26 and MG 34.
The graph shows that 11 out of the last 12 months have had sales well above the 12 month average line, that is consistant, sustained growth and a healthy business, competing for the highest increase each month is not necessarily a healthy thing to do long term!